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A video recording of a US border patrol "inspection." Our camera man knows his rights, you should probably take notes.
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oh, and don't try this if you are not a US citizen.
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He asks your name/badge number you give it to him, you give it.
He refuses to answer simple questions about his identification or purpose for crossing the border or contents of his vehicle you stop the person and search their vehicle and verify identification.
So the correct answer is "yes i am detaining you Mr. Smartass, welcome to the U.S. of A."
Crossing a U.S. border is not a given. Being stubborn is not a passport. Intimidating a border patrol official is unacceptable.
An analogous situation that more people are perhaps familiar with is a Police officer asking you if they can search your car. You have the right to refuse a trunk search unless they have a warrant. In most cases it is unlikely that they will go get one, but they will certainly be rude to you for defending your rights.
In any event, years ago the Sarpy deputies set up road stops on major thoroughfares after midnight on the weekends, so that they could ostensibly "check for insurance". The actual reason, of course, was to nail drunk motorists. Now please don't get me wrong; I'm not defending drunk driving in any way. However, the government has no right to install fucking "check points" inside our borders, unless there's a VERY GOOD goddamn reason. I mean they have to be protecting the President or think bin Laden's in town to legally engage in these shenanigans. Thankfully it didn't take long for the Nebraska Supreme Court to strike down these unlawful road stops.
As of late I've been trying to clean up my language here somewhat, because I don't want my potty-mouth comments prominently displayed in the Featured Member Comments section. However this shit pisses me off to no fucking end, and sometimes vulgarity, if used properly, drives the point home a little better. I hope that's the case with this comment.
Excellent post, Mr. Roe.
Anyways, it seems border patrol does have ability to detainee and search under probable cause, so had she wanted she could have detained this man and searched his vehicle. Of course he could probably turn around and attempt to sue saying the stop did not warrant probable cause. My guess is the lady had a pretty good idea he was a citizen, and had nothing and because of his attitude and camera he was putting in her face would be the sort to cause as much ruckus as possible, and thus concluded the easiest option was just to let the man go on his way rather than escalate things.
For his part I think there a probably better ways to protest unfair practices of a law enforcement division than being a complete douche to someone who is probably on the lowest rungs of the organization.
To a certain extent I still actually believe in the concept of law, and that's why I feel so passionately about issues such as these. However I realize the limitations of law, in that bullshit like this should never be allowed in the first place, let alone have to work its way through the legal system before it gets shut down.
But what do I know? I'm a male prostitute by trade.
Btw, is being a douche protected under the constitution? I keed, I keed.
What a tremendous waste of public money.
Well yes and no. Unless my instructors were full of BS, the Border Patrol seizes way more drugs than any other agency. Which is to say they help keep a lot of bad stuff off the street...or not, depending on which crowd you fall into. I think that we do need to protect our borders from a lot of potential hazzards and the the Border Patrol serves as function to do this (yes even those checkpoints). If it was something a majority of people wanted to abolish, it would be gone. And come on, does security really have a price tag? Eh? EH??
>> ^jmzero:
What And come on, does security really have a price tag? Eh? EH??
$3.50
-Karl
However, judging by the tailor, it looks as though this is a makeshift checkpoint, So I'm guessing that they got word of someone smuggeling immigrants through that area so they set that point up to try and catch them. Border Patrol agents also seize millions of dollars worth of narcotic every year.
Point is, this guy is not a douche bag. He wanted an answer to his question, he could have at least answered one of hers. Had he said yes, she probably would have sent him on his way. Every time I've driven through one, they ask, i say yes, and then i drive off.
FUCK YOU MR. Web-cam-on-the-dash-douche. Stop TRYING to start and incident and let those people do their jobs. I know I'm sick of paying for illegal immigrants to sap of my government while offering nothing back into the system.
Point is, this guy is not a douche bag.
FUCK YOU MR. Web-cam-on-the-dash-douche. Stop TRYING to start and incident and let those people do their jobs. I know I'm sick of paying for illegal immigrants to sap of my government while offering nothing back into the system.
Wait. What? Douche or no douche?
I believe that "illegal immigrants" are costing our government far less than the Iraq war is. $500 Billion spent so far on that war. That's a conservative estimate. I've seen estimates that are almost 3 times as much.
Reports suggest 12 million illegal workers in the US.
That would mean each illegal worker costs the government $41,666 per year in order to match the war in Iraq.
Illegal immigrants tend to do shitty jobs for low pay, which keeps the costs of products like fruit, houses, and prepared meals low. If you really think illegal immigrants are a threat, don't go after desperately poor people, go after those who employ them. they wouldn't come here if they were not able to find jobs here. Just be prepared to see a large increase the cost of home construction, fresh fruit, and dining out.
One other thing that is really costing you money is Oil Profits. Exxon Mobil is raking in $40 billion per year in profit. that's nearly $1300 in profit ever second. Think about that next time you fuel up.
He's a douche, fair and simple. This isn't "fear" - (God, I hate that channel) It's simply a very good agency of the US trying to keep out border states free of illegal immigrants that leech off the local economy.
Like I've always said before - if you want to come to America - Great! Just do it legally.
I wish I went down.
Stopping people, at some place other then the border, without reasonable suspicion, is a violation of the rights that everybody in the US ,citizen or not, has by law. Not being able to assert probable cause without the assistance of the driver, the officer has no legal recourse except to let them go.
Nobody in the US is ever legally required to tell an officer anything. Courts can compel testimony on pain of contempt or obstruction, but officers have no such right.
@ Sometimes... I never said this war was a good thing.. they are building that huge wall there... we should station all the troops on or border, and build a wall there instead.
As far as your (sorry to be a dick) RETARDED ASS comment about the cost of shit going up.. Get real. That was like that movie "A Day Without a Mexican" Are you serious? Be realistic... take illegal workers out of the picture and shit will still get done. Theres no Mexicans in Maine (I say Maine because I'm from there) and houses get built, fruit gets picked and shelves get stocked. How do I know? I used to work those kinds of jobs. Yep thats right a WHITE GUY did stuff "fit for an illegal immigrant worker.
As far as costing 46k annually.. Im sure they don't cost that much.. but keep this in mind: Many of these immigrants have families here. Send their kids to school, drawing WIC or food stamps, or other social aid costs allot of money.. so just because theres 12 million workers in the states doesn't mean there aren't shit tons more in family.
Having lived in El Paso Texas for a couple of years I've been through these checkpoints numorous times. This point isn't set up at a point of entry into the country. They are set up on major highways leaving areas (El Paso) that have points of entry and / huge populations of Mexicans...
Maybe the point of the video wasn't the encounter with the border patrol, but to document that there are illegal checkpoints on the illegal NAFTA superhighway!
The police are used to "asking" people to ignore their rights, if even 10% of the population would be assholes, when called for, the police would be forced, through simple pragmatism, to obey the law they are supposed to uphold.
Stopping people, at some place other then the border, without reasonable suspicion, is a violation of the rights that everybody in the US ,citizen or not, has by law. Not being able to assert probable cause without the assistance of the driver, the officer has no legal recourse except to let them go.
Nobody in the US is ever legally required to tell an officer anything. Courts can compel testimony on pain of contempt or obstruction, but officers have no such right.
I'm pretty sure most jurisdictions have a law/ordinance that makes it illegal to fail to obey a peace officer. It's not like the agent is sending him to GITMO. Unfortunately not everything gets stopped right there at the border and the Border Patrol is allowed to operate checkpoints within 100 miles.
And you speak of this probable cause thingy? Like maybe a tip that a smuggling operation is running through the area? Or the area is known to be a hotbed of drug/people smuggling? His vehicle looked suspiciously heavily loaded? And so on, but we really don't know any of that do we? Ultimately law enforcement agencies need to do things by the book and if they're not, they should get spanked. But they just enforce the laws, not make them or interpret their constitutionality.
Again, I'm glad we live in a place where people can question government and with a majority change laws, policies. etc. On this, I do not "keed".
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As far as your (sorry to be a dick) RETARDED ASS comment about the cost of shit going up.. Get real. That was like that movie "A Day Without a Mexican" Are you serious? Be realistic... take illegal workers out of the picture and shit will still get done. Theres no Mexicans in Maine (I say Maine because I'm from there) and houses get built, fruit gets picked and shelves get stocked.
This article and many others beg to differ.
How do I know? I used to work those kinds of jobs. Yep thats right a WHITE GUY did stuff "fit for an illegal immigrant worker.
Yep, you used to, maybe that's why you know jack from shit anymore. Maybe a little trip back down to Mexicotown would refresh your memory?
You said that article and many other... that article says: "Manuel Antonio Cornejo...is believed to be the first Maine employer to be sentenced in U.S. District Court in Bangor for hiring undocumented workers." I'm sure there might be a couple others, but I'm not about to go looking. Besides, 11 workers in a state of 1.2 million people hardly validates your argument.
P.S. Leave the insults at EweToob. Feel free to disagree with what I have to say on the subject all you want, but lets try to have a mature conversation here.
That is how things have been done in the US since the first states ratified the Constitution. Only recently when a certain asshole created DHS and merged the border patrol into it and gave them unheard of, unrestricted powers has this become an issue (google "border patrol greyhound").
Once upon a time state militia, state and local police were responsible for their jurisdictions. Border patrol was only to police those people crossing the US borders and harbors.
Now there are blanket illegal checkpoints (YOUR PAPERS PLEASE). This man might have sounded like a jerk to you, but that is because you are a moran and do not understand your rights. She would have gladly done something to him if she had any authority. Instead it is a whole highway of people who would gladly board the trains and be shipped to ghettos (yea, I went there Godwin's fans)
somebody will make a 300-style techno remix of this, guaranteed
I look forward to downvoting it.
Your rights are set out clearly for all citizens to know. You dont need a law degree to be able to speak with a "badge" or "suit" of any kind.
Its great to see people have some rights and be able to exercise them without getting penalised. I know where I live I have the right to pretty much nothing, random stops, search your car, your person, it goes to peoples heads too. I've even witnessed them enter my friends home and tell us to turn out our pockets... Not that I have run-ins with the law, but as a law abiding tax payer I hate getting verbal abuse from guys in uniforms. I also hate getting ordered around.
I felt kinda sorry for the agent, I know, maybe what she is doing is sinister but I bet she was thinking "Oh damn, I had to stop this guy"
> but that is because you are a moran
I think the guy is right, he's just a bit of a dick about his approach.
And that is not how you spell meouxrahn!
This isn't it.
Unless there are more exigent circumstances I can't see how border patrol agents stopping everyone on a highway within the United States is justified. Their real power is at the border where criminal law gives them an exemption and allows them to search your belongings without a warrant (including your laptop by the way so don't even think of leaving that porn on there).
Don't turn your fear of illegal aliens or terrorists running amok in the country into hatred for this guy. I can't say I'm comfortable with his tone, but no matter how much you feel for the woman CBP agent, it is part of the job.
Okay so you don't like his tactics. How else is he to go about getting change? Your elected representatives aren't going to listen in this climate of fear and if they do it could take many many years. The best chance to address this is in the courts by forcing the issue. If our rights are being violated, if our freedoms are being taken away, let's test it in court. If you want to be sheep and just accept whatever yoke the government puts around your neck then go ahead, but don't blame this guy for not wanting to wear it.
Well said!
There are people in this thread who would allow themselves to be illegally detained and then argue that it was for the good of your country.
Detaining them in the legal sense is done with the intention of having them for an extended period of time, not less than a minute.
arsenault185,
I believe that "illegal immigrants" are costing our government far less than the Iraq war is. $500 Billion spent so far on that war. That's a conservative estimate. I've seen estimates that are almost 3 times as much.
Reports suggest 12 million illegal workers in the US.
That would mean each illegal worker costs the government $41,666 per year in order to match the war in Iraq.
Illegal immigrants tend to do shitty jobs for low pay, which keeps the costs of products like fruit, houses, and prepared meals low. If you really think illegal immigrants are a threat, don't go after desperately poor people, go after those who employ them. they wouldn't come here if they were not able to find jobs here. Just be prepared to see a large increase the cost of home construction, fresh fruit, and dining out.
One other thing that is really costing you money is Oil Profits. Exxon Mobil is raking in $40 billion per year in profit. that's nearly $1300 in profit ever second. Think about that next time you fuel up.
Don't be naive. Do you seriously think that they pass those savings on to you? I think not.
Stopping someone and asking them a couple of VERY simple questions is not detaining in the legal sense of the word.
Detaining them in the legal sense is done with the intention of having them for an extended period of time, not less than a minute.
So if uniformed men in positions of power came and surrounded you and would not let you leave, you would be ok with it as long as it wasn't for longer than a minute? What if they wouldn't let you go until you answered some easy questions?
It sounds to me as if you would welcome a police state under the guise of responsible government.